tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7981315063491687057.post3018636453965854163..comments2023-05-12T06:37:48.238-04:00Comments on Manuscript Mavens: Authorial ResponsibilityErica Ridleyhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/05511276393455961757noreply@blogger.comBlogger15125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7981315063491687057.post-31383704870503743752008-04-25T09:24:00.000-04:002008-04-25T09:24:00.000-04:00VC Andrews, that brings back memories. I read Clan...VC Andrews, that brings back memories. I read Clan of the Cave Bear and the rest of the books when I was in 5th grade. I will say that books do leave an impression on teenagers. I had to get past the lust=love thing and the fact that my first love wasn't necessarily my best love. Romance novels factored into those ideas, not that they were bad ideas just wrong applied to me. Sex has consequences, emotional and physical. In my mind that should be part of the story whether it's during the sex, before or after.<BR/><BR/>But it really doesn't matter what I think when it comes to other people's books. The idea, the spark and the process is the author's to handle. The author is the one who needs to decide what to include and what works with their story. Responsibility should be to tell the best story possible.Amandahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10810590407001594471noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7981315063491687057.post-15247437703234423842008-04-23T18:29:00.000-04:002008-04-23T18:29:00.000-04:00>>I also don't think it should be in there just to...>>I also don't think it should be in there just to be in there.<BR/><BR/>WORD!<BR/><BR/>Jackie like you i was reading adult material at 12 and 13--HELLO VC Andrews INCEST and my mom let me read it, along with Sidney Sheldon and Jaquelaine Susann (sp?) and all kinds of smutty stuff LOLAmie Stuarthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14145328243563702260noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7981315063491687057.post-33663508659983836322008-04-23T00:08:00.000-04:002008-04-23T00:08:00.000-04:00I read the 70s and 80s books, too, and I thought t...I read the 70s and 80s books, too, and I thought they were totally stupid an outdated. I'm not necessarily for corrupting the youth, but I think they do a fair amount of corrupting themselves and if we discount that to push our parental mores then we risk alienating the very people we want to reach. A classic example is the "Drugs are bad, mmkay?" speech. The fact is, lots of kids will know kids who know drugs are fun. MOST people who experiment will never know an ill consequence. When we insist on spreading a message that can be so easily disproven, we become unreliable sources of information. I'm all for telling the story in a form that is realistic and true to the book. Anything else becomes propaganda, and who wants to spend their time and money on that?lacey kayehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04748864831060027009noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7981315063491687057.post-5082092431964934782008-04-22T22:26:00.000-04:002008-04-22T22:26:00.000-04:00I'm someone who read YA novels extensively until I...I'm someone who read YA novels extensively until I just so happened to discover romance novels when I was 18. I think there's a balance as a YA writer. I view the Gossip Girl series with horror even though I grew up on Dawson's Creek and other WB shows that did feature sex, because the way it is portrayed is way too adult for its 15-17 yr old characters--and for the readers. <BR/><BR/>I read <I>Forever</I> and other "scandalous" teen fiction from the 80s and 90s, but sex was handled from the perspective of a teenager--the curiosity, the confusion, the exhilaration, etcetera. Not the pseudo-"Sex and the City" way that a lot of teenagers and pre-teens are absorbing today. <BR/><BR/>I think I'm retreading a bit here, but I don't feel that sex shouldn't be a part of YA novels, but I feel that too many authors are writing sex in a way that makes kids expect to be able to treat sex with the (I hope) emotional maturity/thought process of an adult.Evangeline Hollandhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00132593133675388609noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7981315063491687057.post-43768082918680024362008-04-22T20:00:00.000-04:002008-04-22T20:00:00.000-04:00Just adding my voice to the chorus, really. I don'...Just adding my voice to the chorus, really. I don't believe YA authors should pull their punches or subvert their storylines to appease some folks' sense of morality.<BR/><BR/>Beyond that, I have to admit that I was reading adult romances (with plenty of sex, lol) well before I achieved the age of majority, and I don't think it harmed me in the least. To the contrary, I suspect those stories made me a lot choosier than I might otherwise have been, if you know what I mean ;).Jackie Barbosahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02904049760374126059noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7981315063491687057.post-4434887297450078402008-04-22T19:47:00.000-04:002008-04-22T19:47:00.000-04:00I don't think the story needs to be modified in or...I don't think the story needs to be modified in order to get the right message across to teens. Besides, who is to say what the right message is? <BR/><BR/>I believe that if the story calls for sex, profanity, booze or what have you, then it shouldn't be censored just because the readership is seen as YA. I also don't think it should be in there just to be in there.<BR/><BR/>The most important thing is to tell the story as honestly as you can.JenWriterhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00582622561973120857noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7981315063491687057.post-16607007201070440602008-04-22T16:30:00.000-04:002008-04-22T16:30:00.000-04:00I'm loving all the responses. For the record, I d...I'm loving all the responses. For the record, I don't think that YA authors need to watch what message they're sending. I think some do, and that's great! Some don't, and that's also great! I do think a story has to be true to the story it's telling and that's most important.Carrie Ryanhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16198867176033112742noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7981315063491687057.post-55189341348883018082008-04-22T16:19:00.000-04:002008-04-22T16:19:00.000-04:00Aw crap, I have to send a message? ;-) Great examp...Aw crap, I have to send a message? ;-) Great examples, Maven E. Well said re: consequences, CM. Hopefully I'm presenting a portrait of a person (character) that makes choices true to themselves whether "right," "wrong," "stupid," or what-not. I am <B>not</B> writing a self-help book. At least not right now.Darcy Burkehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14819984559001912841noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7981315063491687057.post-36143669463572159692008-04-22T11:58:00.000-04:002008-04-22T11:58:00.000-04:00Should the drug user or alcoholic spiral downward?...<I>Should the drug user or alcoholic spiral downward?</I><BR/><BR/>God, no. What a terrible message to send kids--"once you do drugs, you can never reclaim your life." Personally, if one is going to care about "message," that message--that drugs, once done, make you a bad person without any control who must then continue to do drugs until you are homeless and hit rock bottom--sucks.<BR/><BR/>People make mistakes. Murderers and liars and drug users are not always bad people; they are people who have done bad things.<BR/><BR/>Bad things have consequences. Those consequences need not be catastrophic. Dealing with consequences is what life is about.Courtney Milanhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03585322886111438759noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7981315063491687057.post-87479846367971098692008-04-22T11:41:00.000-04:002008-04-22T11:41:00.000-04:00I think as a parent that it will become important ...I think as a parent that it will become important during the YA years to open a dialogue about literature. Teens need to have a jumping board to talk about issues and books are more rich and varied a jumping board than TV, I say.Marnee Baileyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01533816213473440342noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7981315063491687057.post-72769958006878179432008-04-22T10:50:00.000-04:002008-04-22T10:50:00.000-04:00Your responsibility as author is to write the stor...Your responsibility as author is to write the story the way it's meant to be written.<BR/><BR/>End of story.<BR/><BR/>I write YA, too. I'm the mother of a teenager, with another kid heading toward teendom in a few years. The idea that, as writers, we are moral gatekeepers is insane.<BR/><BR/>Touchy subjects can open a conversation between parent and child and get children thinking. I don't censor my children's reading, but I do keep up on WHAT they're reading so we can discuss it. And sometimes, the trickier the subject, the more we delve into things like theme and structure and the "WHY" of certain parts of the books, which sparks them to keep thinking about things in the book.<BR/><BR/>Good literature does more than simply entertain (though that in itself is a fine result), it starts a thought process in the reader.<BR/><BR/>It helps broaden a reader's experience and see potential consequences of certain actions. Especially if they identify with the main character deeply.<BR/><BR/>How is that bad?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7981315063491687057.post-5631727915374199462008-04-22T10:31:00.000-04:002008-04-22T10:31:00.000-04:00You know I got to hear PC Cast talk recently (her ...You know I got to hear PC Cast talk recently (her and daughter Kristin co-write YA's which I LURVE). Anyway she brought this up--and made a valid point in that it's not just about spicing up a book (if you chose to put sex in your YA book) for her. <BR/><BR/>It's about showing what drove a teenager to have sex and the emotional consequences/fallout. Not the yelling from mom and dad, not the pregnancy but what's on the inside. It's all the underlying stuff that she thought should be important-and I agree. <BR/><BR/>Keep in mind she teaches HS students and had a lot to say about the state of our teenagers. <BR/><BR/>I'm not sure I explained that well. <BR/><BR/>But as to the general question of author responsibility...my current heroes are hired killers--hitmen! And there is a death on the page! Who am I to say. I think Dexter is a GREAT example btw *ggg*Amie Stuarthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14145328243563702260noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7981315063491687057.post-36197147324181159052008-04-22T10:30:00.000-04:002008-04-22T10:30:00.000-04:00I'm with Gillian, the responsibility lies with the...I'm with Gillian, the responsibility lies with the reader. The author can't be expected to cater to everyone's needs. Nothing would ever get written if they tried, because what different people deem as acceptable is, well, different for everyone.<BR/>I also agree with Erica that in the case of Children's books it is different. <BR/>Great topic! It really makes one think.Kelly Krystenhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15540403635154064801noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7981315063491687057.post-24902217002712516672008-04-22T09:35:00.000-04:002008-04-22T09:35:00.000-04:00Is it important that murderers are always caught a...<I>Is it important that murderers are always caught and punished? Should liars never profit? Should the drug user or alcoholic spiral downward?</I><BR/><BR/>Dexter. Catch Me If You Can. House. <BR/><BR/>At least for adult books, I say the only message your book should convey is the one you meant for your story to tell. Maybe you believe nice guys finish first. Maybe you believe nice guys finish last. Maybe you believe cheaters never win. Maybe you believe that's the only way <I>to</I> win. And so on. I think the book needs to be true to the story and to the characters first and foremost, not to some concept of "telling a message". Most likely there <I>is</I> a message, intentional or not, but I do not believe it should be bound by external expectations of current societal mores, etc.<BR/><BR/>I feel the same way about YA books. But children's books... well, I admit that for children's books, I'm kinda pro showing consequences for actions, if only b/c they haven't seen enough of the world to know how it (allegedly) works. Urgh, does that make me hypocritical?Erica Ridleyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05511276393455961757noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7981315063491687057.post-44123599908915791032008-04-22T08:57:00.000-04:002008-04-22T08:57:00.000-04:00Rubbish!The responsibility lies with the reader, w...Rubbish!<BR/><BR/>The responsibility lies with the reader, who, please God, hopefully has a working head on her shoulders by the time she's reading YA, and the parents, who should be flipping through a few of their daughter's books in order to see what she's reading. (from the mom of three girls, who doesn't censor their reading once they hit thirteen but does keep an eye on it.)Gillian Laynehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15772849187702478349noreply@blogger.com